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Hans



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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:14 pm

14399;PINEDA Jose Ramon and 8577;PINEDA URENA Ramon are the same rider.
Correct name and code: PINEDA UREÑA Jose Ramon;DOM19670615

25545;TATY Mulato Johnathan;COD19920815
26283;RIVERA VARGAS Brandon Smith
26284;LOGICA Enrico; @EnricoLogica
26285;WSOL Damian

DijkCQ wrote:
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:46 pm

You had a long discussion about GEBREZGABIHIER EGERZEIGZAARHKA Amanuel on page 15 in this thread.

According to Dimension Data website his name is GEBREIGZABHIER with 5 letters in a different order.

And UCI site says his second name is WERKILUL but no other source on the internet.
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Hans



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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:14 pm

Daniano wrote:
You had a long discussion about GEBREZGABIHIER EGERZEIGZAARHKA Amanuel on page 15 in this thread.
According to Dimension Data website his name is GEBREIGZABHIER with 5 letters in a different order.
And UCI site says his second name is WERKILUL but no other source on the internet.

His name can be found in this list of Ethiopian and Eritrean (Amharic) names.
It is ገብረ እግዚአብሔር, transcribed as GEBREIGZIABEHER and meaning “Servant of the Lord”.
The spelling is slightly different from both GEBREZGABIHIER and GEBREIGZABHIER.
It seems to me that these differences are caused by using different systems for the transliteration of Amharic into roman characters as, according to this table, there are at least ten different systems to do so.
Therefore, all three spellings can probably be considered “correct”, but for all practical purposes I suggest to change him in the CQ database to the spelling of his team’s website (and of the UCI, although they still added an H in GHEBRE).
The second name EGERZEIGZAARHKA can be found in many of his results, including on the UCI site.
No idea where WERKILUL is coming from. As you said, this appears so far only in the UCI team roster.

The correct spelling and sequence of names of riders from Ethiopia and Eritrea will remain an eternal puzzle, also for another reason: Surnames or family names do not exist.
According to the naming convention in Ethiopia and Eritrea a person is known by: A (given name or first name), B (father’s first name) and C (grandfather’s first name).

For our man this probably means that his given name is Amanuel, his father’s first name Gebreigzabhier and his grandfather’s first name Egerzeigzaarkha (or Werkilul?).

Question for CQ:
Do you want to identify riders from Ethiopia and Eritrea in the data base as: Abc, Bac or BCa ?
Whatever the choice, there are probably a few corrections necessary to make it consistent.
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:17 pm

9051;GREAUX Cumba;ISV19670217
9267;OLLIVIERRE Dominic Stephen
15197;ANDREWS Hansel Orano; website off line
19158;BAILEY Shimano Trevor
20491;CATALAN Steve;FRA19801108
24308;PLANCKAERT Edward; @edwPlanckaert
24509;EASTMAN Hamza;GUY19950615
24628;KIREVHA Albert
26115;ARAUJO Bruno;ANG19991005
26293;HAUGSVAER Sindre Bjerkestrand;NOR19940305
26295;GEBREWAHID Tamrat Meresa
26297;FAVARO Daniel;ITA19961104; @DanielFavaro3

DijkCQ wrote:
Done. Except Bruno Araujo, see below.
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:45 pm

19332;ABEBE GRMAY Alem ETH19900115 according to UCI... Question
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Hans



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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:45 pm

stephane david wrote:
19332;ABEBE GRMAY Alem ETH19900115 according to UCI... Question

But in the results of the Tour Ethiopian Meles Zenawi on the facebook page of the Ethiopian Cycling Federation he is still ETH19901115, like for many years on the UCI site.. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:59 am

5365; WURNITSCH Wolfgang (AUT19810325)

DijkCQ wrote:
Was already done.
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LeonCQ



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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:10 am

Hans wrote:


Question for CQ:
Do you want to identify riders from Ethiopia and Eritrea in the data base as: Abc, Bac or BCa ?
Whatever the choice, there are probably a few corrections necessary to make it consistent.

I think the most practical way is to show their names like "we know them".
So TEKLEHAIMANOT, BERHANE, KUDUS, etc in capitals, followed by 1 or 2 other names not in capitals. Is that what you call BCa?
(I'm not sure about GRMAY or GEBREMARIAM, could there be a difference between ERI and ETH?)
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:27 pm

26246; Thomasson Nicolas FRA19920728

DijkCQ wrote:
Was already done.
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Hans



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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:43 pm

LeonCQ wrote:
I think the most practical way is to show their names like "we know them".
So TEKLEHAIMANOT, BERHANE, KUDUS, etc in capitals, followed by 1 or 2 other names not in capitals. Is that what you call BCa?
No that is rather Abc or Bac.
Quote :
I'm not sure about GRMAY or GEBREMARIAM, could there be a difference between ERI and ETH?
On his twitter he calls himself Tsgabu Grmay so I assume it should be GRMAY, like on the UCI site. The naming conventions for Eritrea and Ethiopia are the same.

Based on the principle of one CAPITALIZED name and one or two names in Undercast, a bit of consistency in the transliterations, and some input for “third” names from the facebook page of the Ethiopian Cycling Federation, I suggest the following corrections for Ethiopia.

4070;MENGSTEAB Aberha
6233;GEBREMARYAM Robel
8474;GRMAY Solomon Gebremaryam
9318;HAILEMARYAM Gebru Alemayehu
9339;GEBREAB Abreha Zegeye
9347;SHIFERAW Solomon Bitew
15851;MEBRAHTU Kiros Woldegebriel
15869;GEBRESILASSIE Estifanos Kebede
18034;BIRU Goytom Mebrahtu
18053;GRMAY Tsgabu Gebremaryam
19332;ABEBE Alem Grmay
19333;GEBRESILASSIE Yonas Zerabruk
19525;REDAE Tedros Tesfu
19665;BEKELE Binyam Fitsum
19873;KINFE Yirga Woldemaryam
20022;MESFIN Getachew Lesan
20027;KALAYU Alemayehu Abreha
20232;HAFTU Gebremaryam Robel
20884;KAHSAY Afewerki Hadush
22173;BURU Temesgen Mebrahtu
22183;ALEMAYEHU Gebretsadik
23056;DURY Abdurahman
23577;GEBREMARYAM Fiseha
24502;TESEMA Getachew Sendeku
24503;TIBEBU Alemayehu
24748;MENTESENOT Samson
25061;WELDU Hafetab Weldegebreal
25295;BELAY Fiseha
26219;ASEFA Akilu Mesele
26296;TESFAYE Lewete Serse

The Ethiopian Cycling Federation rejuvenated two more riders:
In addition to ATSBHA Getachew Yohanes (ETH19900612 became ETH19960626) and BIRU Goytom Mebrahtu (ETH1987114 became ETH19920422) there are two other riders who got a similar treatment:
25441;HAILAY Kibrom (ETH19950510) is the same rider as 19522;GIDAY Kbrom Hailay (ETH19890219)
Quote :
CT rider (Marco Polo) in 2012. So birth year is 1989.
and
22225;WUYU Weldemikale (ETH19940620) is the same rider as 15848;GJEWERGIF Weldmikael (ETH19900223).
Full name WUYU Weldemikael Gebrejewergif.
Quote :
First result (African Champs) in 2009. So birth year must be 1990.
I let you choose whether to stick to the old codes or change to the new ones. Smile

LeonCQ wrote:
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sun Sep 04, 2016 12:41 am

Hans, thanks a lot for these investigations!

And in order to have a good 'convention': what is the used sequence in given name, father's name, grandfather's name?




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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sun Sep 04, 2016 4:28 pm

LeonCQ wrote:

And in order to have a good 'convention': what is the used sequence in given name, father's name, grandfather's name?
The sequence I tried to follow is FATHER’S NAME, Given name, Grandfather’s name.

Based on the same principle I arrive at the following changes for Eritrea:
9312;BAIRE Merhawi Gebrehiwet
9313;TEKLEHAIMANOT Daniel Girmazion
9314;DAWIT Haile Araya Medhin
9560;YEMANE Bereket Abebe
10167;RUSSOM Meron Alem
12047;HABTOM Mikel Awet
12275;DEBESAY Frekalsi Abraha
13467;KIBREAB GEB Mehreteab
16172;TEWELDE Jani Weldegaber
16175;BERHANE Natnael Teweldemedhin
16224;HABTE Solomon Abraha
16849;ABRAHA Tesfay Habtemariam
18033;TEKLIT Tesfay Zeweldi
18755;DESALE Nahom Kalei; @NahomNd
18756;DEBESAY Mekseb Abraha
18757;MELAKE Berhane Teklehaimanot
19103;AMANUEL Meron Mengstab
19104;ABRAHA Henok Habtemariam
19307;OKUBAMARIAM Tesfom Issak
19918;DEBRETSION Aron Baranceal
20205;DEBESAY Kindishih Abraha;ERI19891203
20784;KUDUS Merhawi Gebremedhin
21044;TESHOME Meron Hagos
21482;GEBREIGZABHIER Amanuel Egerzeigzaarkha
21483;ZEMICHAEL Adhanom Gebremariam
22602;TEKESTE Yonas Haile
22818;GEBREINDRIAS Amanuel Mengis
23833;BERHANE Meron Arham
24716;BERHANE Brian
24983;FIKADU Sium Wedeb
24985;AFEWERKI Abel Gebrehiwet
25591;TESFAY Hanibal

And two more for Ethiopia, just for consistency of spelling:
15851;MEBRAHTU Kiros Weldegebreal
26299;HAILEMARYAM Kibrom Teklebrhan
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:05 pm

16282;ERIKSSON Mattias;SWE19720120
26301;SCHELLING Ide;@IdeSchelling
26320;CAMERON Carl is 26313;NGAMOKI-CAMERON Carl

DijkCQ wrote:
Done


By the way, with exception of the Ethiopian changes, all Rider Data posts from July 10 onwards are still pending....
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DijkCQ



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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:03 pm

Hans wrote:
By the way, with exception of the Ethiopian changes, all Rider Data posts from July 10 onwards are still pending....
We'll get to those soon. Reshuffling CQ team duties.
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:48 pm

DijkCQ wrote:
Hans wrote:
By the way, with exception of the Ethiopian changes, all Rider Data posts from July 10 onwards are still pending....

We'll get to those soon.  Reshuffling CQ team duties.

Working on it, post by post. Marking each post "Done" if it's done.
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:31 pm

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Hans



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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:41 pm

DijkCQ wrote:
Hans wrote:
26115;ARAUJO Bruno;ANG19991005

I can only find ANG/POR19980107 for this rider.

UCI:
http://www.uci.infostradasports.com/asp/lib/TheASP.asp?PageID=19006&SportID=102&CompetitionID=20758&EditionID=1424780&SeasonID=490&ClassID=2&GenderID=1&EventID=10635&EventPhaseID=1425505&Phase1ID=-1&Phase2ID=0&Phase3ID=0&PhaseClassificationID=-1&Detail=2&Ranking=0&All=0&TaalCode=2&StyleID=0&Cache=8

Portugese sites
http://www.uvp-fpc.pt/ficheirossite/28072016112051.pdf
http://www.uvp-fpc.pt/ficheirossite/30072015122103.pdf
http://www.ac-beirainterior.net/images/Geral-juniores.pdf

Are they different riders?  Are you sure he's from 1999 and has a different date of birth?

I think I got the ANG19991005 here, but the links you mention are certainly more reliable.
Year of birth 1998 also fits better with two articles where he is 16 years old in 2014 (link) and 18 years old in 2016 (link)
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DijkCQ



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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:26 pm

Hans wrote:
I think I got the ANG19991005 here, but the links you mention are certainly more reliable.
Year of birth 1998 also fits better with two articles where he is 16 years old in 2014 (link) and 18 years old in 2016 (link)

We're keeping him like he is. Maybe later he'll switch to a Portugese license.
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:36 pm

DijkCQ wrote:
Working on it, post by post.  Marking each post "Done" if it's done.
I think that all is fully up to date now. Thanks.

A couple of new changes:
25195;JACOBS Johan; new twitter @johanjacbs
26238;LA ROCHELLE Stéphane is 20621;LAROCHELLE Stéphane (correct code FRA19920228)
26303;RASMUSSEN Evald;FRO19561227
26304;EGHOLM Kjartan;FRO1967

DijkCQ wrote:
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Hans



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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:23 pm

Hans wrote:

26238;LA ROCHELLE Stéphane is 20621;LAROCHELLE Stéphane (correct code FRA19920228)
He still is twice in the database Wink
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DijkCQ



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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:53 pm

Hans wrote:
Hans wrote:

26238;LA ROCHELLE Stéphane is 20621;LAROCHELLE Stéphane (correct code FRA19920228)
He still is twice in the database Wink
I didn't read it carefully enough. Merged the 2 riders into 1.
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PostSubject: Rider Twitter accounts   Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:12 pm

Found a few riders' Twitter accounts which aren't listed yet;

Baku Cycling Project
Elchin Asadov: @Elcinasadov1
Matej Mugerli: @matejmugerli

Cycling Academy Team
Aviv Yechezkel: @spring_monkey

Michael Schweizer:@Schweizi83

DijkCQ wrote:
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Hans



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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:55 pm

5260;FINETTO Mauro; website off line
19644;SISR Frantisek; @Frantisek_Sisr
22837;ABOU RACHID Elias
23107;AMBROSE Alonzo;GUY19960628
24374;MITCHEL Kluivert;LCA20000123
24391;ROBERTSON Dean;JAM19961204

LeonCQ wrote:
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OZrocker



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PostSubject: Twitter Accounts   Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:23 am

A few more links to riders' Twitter accounts...

Elevate Pro Cycling
662 - Heath Blackgrove - @heathblackgrove
25247 - Alberto Ivan Covarrubias Rocha - @beto_cova

4647 - Logan Hutchings is listed as @loganhutchings on the team website, but Elevate's twitter account mentions him as @loganandlizzie. Not sure which one should be included.

DijkCQ wrote:
Done. @loganhutchings is (almost) empty, therefore decided to use the adorable couples account @loganandlizzie.
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:37 pm

17687;MILEVSKI Miki;MKD1987
26330;BAUDE Arthur;BEL19980107
26331;MONIQUET Sylvain;BEL19880114
26333;VAN DEN BERG Lars; @larsvandenberg2

DijkCQ wrote:
Done. But made Moniquet 10 years younger ;-)
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