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stephane david



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PostSubject: Re: National Championships 2016   Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:52 pm

More complete results for Chili Championships RR are available on UCI site now :here
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Hans



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PostSubject: Re: National Championships 2016   Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:19 am

stephane david wrote:
More complete results for Chili Championships RR are available on UCI site now :here

This result has been on the UCI site since a long time but what has been and still is missing, is an integrated Elite and U23 result.
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LeonCQ



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PostSubject: Re: National Championships 2016   Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:07 pm

Hans wrote:

This result has been on the UCI site since a long time but what has been and still is missing, is an integrated Elite and U23 result.
Indeed. And a repeated request to the Chilean federation for the integrated result has been unanswered.
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Rory



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PostSubject: Re: National Championships 2016   Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:14 pm

Rory wrote:
Still from last year, the national championships of Pakistan and Guam:

26-11-2016 PAKISTAN (Islamabad) - ITT - 40 KM
1 ANJUM Arsalan PAK 56:21
2 KHAN Mohsin +0:55
3 ULLAH Najeeb 1:14

27-11-2016 PAKISTAN (Islamabad) - RR - 70 KM
1 ALI Zeeshan PAK19940426 2:48:06
2 SAJID Mohammad PAK19920101 +0:01
3 HUSSAIN Ghulam PAK19970118 +0:02


11-12-2016 GUAM (Hagatña) - RR - 105 KM
1 GALEDO Mark 2:54:00
2 STERNADEL Jamie USA +4:52
3 CAMACHO Patrick GUM19830131 +7:19 (national champion)
4 MISAWA Yoshiaki Philip JPN +13:03
5 JONES Jake GUM +14:47
6 MARTIN Jonathan GUM19851009 +14:47
7 APONIK Dan GUM +15:56
8 JUNG Yoo Jin KOR +15:58
9 REEVES Randy GUM +16:03
10 BIDDIX Justin USA1994 +16:47
Race comment: The RR Championship of Guam took place during the 'Tour of Guam'.

Don't forget to add these results from last year!! Wink

LeonCQ wrote:
added!
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Hans



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PostSubject: Re: National Championships 2016   Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:28 pm

There are still two posts pending in the Rider Data topic which actually concern National Championships.

Hans wrote:
LeonCQ wrote:
The Faroe Isles apparently do not have a separate federation, so we should in fact remove the NCh's and change the nationality of FRO riders into DEN.
There might be other 'countries' with the same casus, so we have to check the UCI federations list in order to find these championships.
btw: we might keep the results of these non-NCh's, but only as a special race, without CQ-points.

Just an observation.
As the championships of the Faroe Islands have been changed to the status of a special race under the Danish flag, the race should just be called Championships Faroe Islands, without the prefix "National”.


Hans wrote:
LeonCQ wrote:
I remember that Hans mentioned something like this, some time ago.

You probably refer to a post back in August 2014 (page 18) concerning the status of Curaçao after the dissolution of the Netherlands Antilles.
Hans wrote:
The choice CQ has to make is:
follow what the people of Curaçao apparently would like to see, recognition as a sovereign country also in sports, and make the changes as I suggested,
or
follow the IOC/UCI rules and make the same changes but, rather than correcting the codes of certain riders to CUR (and SMX), change them to NED instead.

In the latter case, the National Championships of Curaçao of 2011 and later should be deleted from the database, as you cannot have a national champion of a country that does not exist…
(You could of course keep the results as “Championships of Curaçao”, a Dutch NE race without CQ points)
Furthermore, Curaçao should be removed from the list of countries in the choice menus for rider nationality, race origin etc…

It is up to you: follow sentiments or rules. Smile

You have at the time chosen for the first option but if you want to give Curaçao the same treatment as the Faroe Islands then all CUR riders in the database should become NED (same for the two riders of Dutch Saint Maarten) and the Championships become NE or special event without CQ points.

The UCI site gives the “list” of national federations in the form of a world map with flags you can click on: http://www.uci.ch/inside-uci/organisation/national-feds/#!EU
There seem to be two other cases in the Caribbean of islands without their own federation: British Virgin Islands (contrary to the US Virgin Islands) and Anguilla, both British overseas territories.
Another country without cycling federation (nor a worldwide acknowledged status as an independent country) is Western Sahara.
The two riders in the data base with this nationality are in the UCI results with a Moroccan license.

Edit
The situation of the British Virgin Islands is not clear because, although not appearing on the UCI site, they do have their own Olympic Committee and Cycling Federation: http://bviolympics.org/
Also, in the UCI result of the Pan American Championships 2011 you find Darel CHRISTOPHER with code IVB….

LeonCQ wrote:
Thanks Hans.
In addition to Faroe>DEN, we deleted Curacao, Dutch St Maarten (both NED), Anguilla (GBR) and West Sahara (MAR) as a seperate country. Concerning the British Virgin Islands, we'll keep them as a country, for the time being.
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frenchfan



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PostSubject: Re: National Championships 2016   Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:04 pm

Hans wrote:
There are still two posts pending in the Rider Data topic which actually concern National Championships.

Hans wrote:
LeonCQ wrote:
The Faroe Isles apparently do not have a separate federation, so we should in fact remove the NCh's and change the nationality of FRO riders into DEN.
There might be other 'countries' with the same casus, so we have to check the UCI federations list in order to find these championships.
btw: we might keep the results of these non-NCh's, but only as a special race, without CQ-points.

Just an observation.
As the championships of the Faroe Islands have been changed to the status of a special race under the Danish flag, the race should just be called Championships Faroe Islands, without the prefix "National”.


Hans wrote:
LeonCQ wrote:
I remember that Hans mentioned something like this, some time ago.

You probably refer to a post back in August 2014 (page 18) concerning the status of Curaçao after the dissolution of the Netherlands Antilles.
Hans wrote:
The choice CQ has to make is:
follow what the people of Curaçao apparently would like to see, recognition as a sovereign country also in sports, and make the changes as I suggested,
or
follow the IOC/UCI rules and make the same changes but, rather than correcting the codes of certain riders to CUR (and SMX), change them to NED instead.

In the latter case, the National Championships of Curaçao of 2011 and later should be deleted from the database, as you cannot have a national champion of a country that does not exist…
(You could of course keep the results as “Championships of Curaçao”, a Dutch NE race without CQ points)
Furthermore, Curaçao should be removed from the list of countries in the choice menus for rider nationality, race origin etc…

It is up to you: follow sentiments or rules. Smile

You have at the time chosen for the first option but if you want to give Curaçao the same treatment as the Faroe Islands then all CUR riders in the database should become NED (same for the two riders of Dutch Saint Maarten) and the Championships become NE or special event without CQ points.

The UCI site gives the “list” of national federations in the form of a world map with flags you can click on: http://www.uci.ch/inside-uci/organisation/national-feds/#!EU
There seem to be two other cases in the Caribbean of islands without their own federation: British Virgin Islands (contrary to the US Virgin Islands) and Anguilla, both British overseas territories.
Another country without cycling federation (nor a worldwide acknowledged status as an independent country) is Western Sahara.
The two riders in the data base with this nationality are in the UCI results with a Moroccan license.

Edit
The situation of the British Virgin Islands is not clear because, although not appearing on the UCI site, they do have their own Olympic Committee and Cycling Federation: http://bviolympics.org/
Also, in the UCI result of the Pan American Championships 2011 you find Darel CHRISTOPHER with code IVB….

LeonCQ wrote:
Thanks Hans.
In addition to Faroe>DEN, we deleted Curacao, Dutch St Maarten (both NED), Anguilla (GBR) and West Sahara (MAR) as a seperate country. Concerning the British Virgin Islands, we'll keep them as a country, for the time being.

Just a suggestion about Curaçao:
From 2011 to 2013 Marc de Maar rode with a Curaçao licence and wore a special national champion jersey. So his status was recognized by the UCI until he switched back to a Dutch licence in 2014. Here is my suggestion: in 2011, 2012 and 2013 only, the Curaçao Championships may be renamed Curaçao National Championships again.
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Hans



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PostSubject: Re: National Championships 2016   Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:55 am

11-12-2016 GUAM (RR)
2 STERNADEL Jamie +4’52”
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