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DijkCQ



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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:38 pm

stephane david wrote:
Do these figures mean something clear (i.e about birthdate) or what ? Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation
Seems that it gonna be difficult to fill the missing birthdates now. pale
It seems that those new UCI id's have no meaning. It will become more difficult to find birthdates, but there are always several ways to get them!
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:25 pm

Team LottoNL - Jumbo

Team photos:
Martijn KEIZER "stole" Amund Grøndahl JANSEN's face.
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:43 pm

frenchfan wrote:
Team LottoNL - Jumbo

Team photos:
Martijn KEIZER "stole" Amund Grøndahl JANSEN's face.
Call the police!

Something went wrong there. Fixed it. Thanks for noticing (very fast!).
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:27 pm

26680;NOWELL Matthew; @mattnowell_
26681;RICHARDSON Alexandar; @AlexandarRicha2
26689;STAPLES Matthew; @matt_staples98
26691;NADON Marc-Antoine; @MarcAntoineN
26693;DISERA Quinton; @QuintonDisera
26694;HARO Wilson Steven
26695;MONTENEGRO NARVAEZ Jimmy Santiago
26696;REYNOLDS Aden; @adenreynolds
26698;HAGAN Andy is 18257;HAGAN Andrew
26707;WALKER Joey; @JoeyWack
26708;KERFOOT-ROBSON Dylan; @DylanKerfootRob
26709;DRAPER Nathan; @Nay_Draper
26710;MARTIN Grant; @grantymartin
26711;AMBROSIUS Carlos; @CarlosAmbrosius
26713;RUDYS Paul; @paul_rudys
26726;TAY Chin Loong
26727;CHAN Lai Kit Leon

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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:22 pm

Some "new" Koreans
26728; LEE Jun Hee -> LEE Joonhee
26734; BANG Seon Hoe -> BANG Sunhwoi
26735; SO In Su -> SO Insoo
26738; KIM Dong Uk -> KIM Dongwook

I see a tendency in Korean names (in Korean results to write the given name as one instead of two parts as we do. Maybe that has changed? Above is what I have found, but feel free to separate them again :-)
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:39 pm

Into Tusnad CT :
PETER Laszlo (24/01/1980) for CQR
LASZLO Peter (12/07/1980) for UCI

Who's right, who's wrong Smile

CEPEDA HERNANDEZ Jefferson Alveiro (id=23549) is both into Equipo Bolivia and Team Ecuador rosters.
There are 2 different riders indeed; with CEPEDA Jefferson (Ecu, born 16/06/1998) riding for Team Ecuador this year while the other one is leaving this team for the bolivian one ! scratch
Quite confusing, is not it ?
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:03 pm

stephane david wrote:
Into Tusnad CT :
PETER Laszlo (24/01/1980) for CQR
LASZLO Peter (12/07/1980) for UCI
Who's right, who's wrong Smile
Both! CQ has the right name, UCI the right date of birth. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:21 pm

franss wrote:
Some "new" Koreans
26728; LEE Jun Hee -> LEE Joonhee
26734; BANG Seon Hoe -> BANG Sunhwoi
26735; SO In Su -> SO Insoo
26738; KIM Dong Uk -> KIM Dongwook

I see a tendency in Korean names (in Korean results to write the given name as one instead of two parts as we do. Maybe that has changed? Above is what I have found, but feel free to separate them again :-)

There are three ways to “romanize” the Korean (Hangul) given names, which generally consist of two Hangul characters.
Actually the most commonly used method is neither the two syllables separate, nor the two written in one word, but the two linked by a hyphen with the second syllable not capatalized.

Example, the infamous North Korean presidents KIM Jong-il and his son KIM Jong-un.
You also find the spelling KIM Jong Il and KIM Jong Un, rarely KIM Jongil or KIM Jongun.

In the CQ database the names of the Korean riders were a few years ago a mix of the three methods. As the majority were with two capitalized separate syllables, the other riders spelled with the given names in one word or hyphenated were changed for consistency. After that, new riders were added also using the method of two separate syllables. Suggest to keep it that way.
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:15 am

Thanks Hans, for your reply. I think information like this makes this "collecting" what we do extra interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:29 pm

26744;NARANJO SANCHEZ Nicolas Javier
26747;YUTO Yoshida;JPN19941218
26748;NAKATA Yakuya;JPN19960603
26749;TORRES CASTELLANOS Edwin Yair
26750;BOYS Matt; @posthaze

DijkCQ wrote:
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:11 pm

26764-PEREIRA Maicke Rene Monteiro  BRA19811027

DijkCQ wrote:
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:23 pm

Hans wrote:
stephane david wrote:
Into Tusnad CT :
PETER Laszlo (24/01/1980) for CQR
LASZLO Peter (12/07/1980) for UCI
Who's right, who's wrong Smile
Both! CQ has the right name, UCI the right date of birth. Very Happy
UCI has updated the birth date to 12-07-1998.

Peter LASZLO is his name on several occasions, like http://www.federatiadeciclism.ro/sportivi-licentiati-2015/ on the website of the Romanian Federation. This seems correct. I believe CQ has the wrong one (isn't this a former Hungarian rider?)
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:48 pm

stephane david wrote:
CEPEDA HERNANDEZ Jefferson Alveiro (id=23549) is both into Equipo Bolivia and Team Ecuador rosters.
There are 2 different riders indeed; with CEPEDA Jefferson (Ecu, born 16/06/1998) riding for Team Ecuador this year while the other one is leaving this team for the bolivian one ! scratch
Quite confusing, is not it ?

That is confusing! I added CEPEDA Jefferson ECU19980616 to our database and added him to Team Ecuador. CEPEDA HERNANDEZ Jefferson Alveiro ECU19960302 was removed from Team Ecuador and is still in Team Bolivia. Unfortunately I could not find the extra names for the 1998-Cepeda.
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:51 pm

With keeping the Korean riders' names, we're up to date now, right?

Still pending: confirmation of Peter LASZLO.
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:35 pm

DijkCQ wrote:
Still pending: confirmation of Peter LASZLO.

In the official start lists and results ROU19980712 is indeed Peter LASZLO but he calls himself Laszlo Peter on his facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/peter.laszlo.359 Not many people use on facebook their family name first ….

According to that same facebook page he went to school at the Colegiul National Octavian Goga in Miercurea-Ciuc.
If you Google a bit further you find that a certain Lazslo PETER, and also a Karoly PETER, live Allea Octavia Goga No 8 in Miercurea-Ciuc. http://www.locatefamily.com/Street-Lists/Romania/HARGHITA/MIERCUREA_CIUC/index6.html
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:44 pm

Hans wrote:
DijkCQ wrote:
Still pending: confirmation of Peter LASZLO.

In the official start lists and results ROU19980712 is indeed Peter LASZLO but he calls himself Laszlo Peter on his facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/peter.laszlo.359 Not many people use on facebook their family name first ….

According to that same facebook page he went to school at the Colegiul National Octavian Goga in Miercurea-Ciuc.
If you Google a bit further you find that a certain Lazslo PETER, and also a Karoly PETER, live Allea Octavia Goga No 8 in Miercurea-Ciuc. http://www.locatefamily.com/Street-Lists/Romania/HARGHITA/MIERCUREA_CIUC/index6.html

A couple of his family members on Facebook have the last name Laszlo, for example his sister Kamilla (see Family and Relationships). In certain countries it is a habit to name your family name first, then given name. I am sure, with your help of finding his Facebook page, that Laszlo is his last name.
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:25 pm

DijkCQ wrote:
A couple of his family members on Facebook have the last name Laszlo, for example his sister Kamilla (see Family and Relationships).  In certain countries it is a habit to name your family name first, then given name.  I am sure, with your help of finding his Facebook page, that Laszlo is his last name.
Yes you are right Dijk, but I still wonder who the Laszlo PETER is that lives in the street where Peter LASZLO went to school… Smile
The story reminds me a bit of SEBESTYEN Szabolcs who for many years has been in the UCI results SZABOLCS Sebestyen…

With the Peter LASZLO story now solved, the only pending item under Rider Data is the artificial 01/01 in the birthdate of Valens NDAYISENGA.

DijkCQ wrote:
Hans wrote:
A quote from two years ago
Hans wrote:
daizenshu wrote:
I don't know if it's his real birthdate or not but NDAYISENGA Valens (id 20787) UCI Code is RWA19940101.
No, 19940101 is not the birthdate of Valens NDAYISENGA. For him, as for many people in African countries subject to ethnic and civil wars in the last decades of the last century, no birth record exists. As an UCI code requires eight digits, 0101 was added to 1994, the (probable) year of birth of Valens.
A few weeks ago these artificial 0101 (and 1231) additions in the UCI codes of riders from Burkina Faso, Rwanda, Uganda, Mali and Lesotho were deleted from the CQ database, leaving only the year.

Noticed that in the database Valens got his artificial 0101 back again …

I leave this one for the data masters.  We use the UCI code & birthdate all in one value.  His UCI Code is including 0101 and since we don't have the real birthdate, I would keep the full UCI code, incuding 0101.  But that's only my opinion.

If the data masters decide to keep the 0101 then, for consistency, some 50 riders from Burkina Faso,  Rwanda, Uganda, Mali and Lesotho should get their artificial 0101’s and 1231’s back as well.
With the introduction of the UCI ID’s, without any correlation to the date of birth, the need for CQ to follow the UCI is not relevant anymore.

It does not belong under this topic but, as far as being up to date now, there are several posts pending under Results 2006, 2007 and 2012, some dating back to June 2016… Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:36 pm

26753;ALMUTAIRI Jarrah
26767;STERNADEL Jamie;USA19760114
26768;JONES Jacob;GUM19961004; @JakefromGuamton
26770;APONIK Dan; Elite-2
26771;YUNG Yoo Jin; Elite-2
26772;REEVES Randy; Elite-2
26773;BIDDIX Justin; Elite-2
26776;PINTO Oscar;VEN19950714

DijkCQ wrote:
Done.


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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:34 pm

DijkCQ wrote:
With keeping the Korean riders' names, we're up to date now, right?
Hm not sure about that...
we solved the fisrt name, last name issue, but the romanisation is still unclear to me. I sttill would suggest adapting the names the way the Korean Federation does it.
26728; LEE Jun Hee -> LEE Joon Hee
26734; BANG Seon Hoe -> BANG Sun Hwoi
26735; SO In Su -> SO In Soo
26738; KIM Dong Uk -> KIM Dong Wook

DijkCQ wrote:
Korean names updated.

One other thing: 26757 MEHRAB Mohamed 13/05/1998 The only one with a similar birthday I can find is AL SABBAGH, Mohammad Humaid. That is most likely the same rider. Probably the son of ALSABBAGH Humaid Mehrab (id 4085)...
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:01 am

Astana Pro Team added the missing picture of Truls Korsæth.

http://www.astanaproteam.kz/modules.php?name=astana&page=team-riders&idteam=457

DijkCQ wrote:
Added.
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:01 pm

16616;STALNOV Nikita;@NikitaStalnov

DijkCQ wrote:
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:09 pm

8745;PRADES REVERTER Benjami; @benja_prades
19031;MOJICA CAMEJO Jose Antonio
25172;ARAQUE LLORENTE Rodrigo; @rodrigoaraque
26628;HIGUCHI Takaaki; @takaakicycle
26805;SILVA Tiago Waiandt;BRA19840506
26806;CALATAYUD FEO Miguel;ESP19961230

DijkCQ wrote:
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:44 pm

Hans wrote:
DijkCQ wrote:
A couple of his family members on Facebook have the last name Laszlo, for example his sister Kamilla (see Family and Relationships).  In certain countries it is a habit to name your family name first, then given name.  I am sure, with your help of finding his Facebook page, that Laszlo is his last name.
Yes you are right Dijk, but I still wonder who the Laszlo PETER is that lives in the street where Peter LASZLO went to school… Smile
The story reminds me a bit of SEBESTYEN Szabolcs who for many years has been in the UCI results SZABOLCS Sebestyen…

With the Peter LASZLO story now solved, the only pending item under Rider Data is the artificial 01/01 in the birthdate of Valens NDAYISENGA.

DijkCQ wrote:
Hans wrote:
A quote from two years ago
Hans wrote:
daizenshu wrote:
I don't know if it's his real birthdate or not but NDAYISENGA Valens (id 20787) UCI Code is RWA19940101.
No, 19940101 is not the birthdate of Valens NDAYISENGA. For him, as for many people in African countries subject to ethnic and civil wars in the last decades of the last century, no birth record exists. As an UCI code requires eight digits, 0101 was added to 1994, the (probable) year of birth of Valens.
A few weeks ago these artificial 0101 (and 1231) additions in the UCI codes of riders from Burkina Faso, Rwanda, Uganda, Mali and Lesotho were deleted from the CQ database, leaving only the year.

Noticed that in the database Valens got his artificial 0101 back again …

I leave this one for the data masters.  We use the UCI code & birthdate all in one value.  His UCI Code is including 0101 and since we don't have the real birthdate, I would keep the full UCI code, incuding 0101.  But that's only my opinion.

If the data masters decide to keep the 0101 then, for consistency, some 50 riders from Burkina Faso,  Rwanda, Uganda, Mali and Lesotho should get their artificial 0101’s and 1231’s back as well.
With the introduction of the UCI ID’s, without any correlation to the date of birth, the need for CQ to follow the UCI is not relevant anymore.

It does not belong under this topic but, as far as being up to date now, there are several posts pending under Results 2006, 2007 and 2012, some dating back to June 2016… Shocked

Hungarian people told for their lastname, then their firstname. F.e. we don't call Laszlo Bodrogi, but Bodrogi Laszlo.


For Ndayisenga, you will probably never find. A lot of children born during rwanda civil war have 01/01 as birthdate. Maybe Valens doesn't know himself what is his real birthdate.
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:45 pm

franss wrote:
One other thing: 26757 MEHRAB Mohamed 13/05/1998 The only one with a similar birthday I can find is AL SABBAGH, Mohammad Humaid. That is most likely the same rider. Probably the son of ALSABBAGH Humaid Mehrab (id 4085)...
It seems you're right, although he is always referred to as Mohamed Mehrab. I don't know how to put it right. Let's keep it like this for now.

Mr 4085 is now member of the UAE federation.
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:53 pm

Hans wrote:
DijkCQ wrote:
Hans wrote:
A quote from two years ago
Hans wrote:
daizenshu wrote:
I don't know if it's his real birthdate or not but NDAYISENGA Valens (id 20787) UCI Code is RWA19940101.
No, 19940101 is not the birthdate of Valens NDAYISENGA. For him, as for many people in African countries subject to ethnic and civil wars in the last decades of the last century, no birth record exists. As an UCI code requires eight digits, 0101 was added to 1994, the (probable) year of birth of Valens.
A few weeks ago these artificial 0101 (and 1231) additions in the UCI codes of riders from Burkina Faso, Rwanda, Uganda, Mali and Lesotho were deleted from the CQ database, leaving only the year.

Noticed that in the database Valens got his artificial 0101 back again …

I leave this one for the data masters.  We use the UCI code & birthdate all in one value.  His UCI Code is including 0101 and since we don't have the real birthdate, I would keep the full UCI code, incuding 0101.  But that's only my opinion.

If the data masters decide to keep the 0101 then, for consistency, some 50 riders from Burkina Faso,  Rwanda, Uganda, Mali and Lesotho should get their artificial 0101’s and 1231’s back as well.
With the introduction of the UCI ID’s, without any correlation to the date of birth, the need for CQ to follow the UCI is not relevant anymore.

We will set his birth date to 19940000. This way it is clear that he doesn't have a known birthdate but we should look no further.
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