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Hans
Number of posts : 4148 Registration date : 2009-08-17
| Subject: Re: Rider data Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:14 pm | |
| 14399;PINEDA Jose Ramon and 8577;PINEDA URENA Ramon are the same rider. Correct name and code: PINEDA UR EÑA Jose Ramon; DOM19670615 25545; TATY Mulato Johnathan;COD 1992081526283;RIVERA VARGAS Brandon Smith26284;LOGICA Enrico; @EnricoLogica 26285; WSOL Damian - DijkCQ wrote:
- Done
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Daniano
Number of posts : 3 Age : 34 Woonplaats : Bielefeld, Germany Registration date : 2009-08-28
| Subject: Re: Rider data Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:46 pm | |
| You had a long discussion about GEBREZGABIHIER EGERZEIGZAARHKA Amanuel on page 15 in this thread.
According to Dimension Data website his name is GEBREIGZABHIER with 5 letters in a different order.
And UCI site says his second name is WERKILUL but no other source on the internet. | |
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Hans
Number of posts : 4148 Registration date : 2009-08-17
| Subject: Re: Rider data Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:14 pm | |
| - Daniano wrote:
- You had a long discussion about GEBREZGABIHIER EGERZEIGZAARHKA Amanuel on page 15 in this thread.
According to Dimension Data website his name is GEBREIGZABHIER with 5 letters in a different order. And UCI site says his second name is WERKILUL but no other source on the internet. His name can be found in this list of Ethiopian and Eritrean (Amharic) names. It is ገብረ እግዚአብሔር, transcribed as GEBREIGZIABEHER and meaning “Servant of the Lord”. The spelling is slightly different from both GEBREZGABIHIER and GEBREIGZABHIER. It seems to me that these differences are caused by using different systems for the transliteration of Amharic into roman characters as, according to this table, there are at least ten different systems to do so. Therefore, all three spellings can probably be considered “correct”, but for all practical purposes I suggest to change him in the CQ database to the spelling of his team’s website (and of the UCI, although they still added an H in GHEBRE). The second name EGERZEIGZAARHKA can be found in many of his results, including on the UCI site. No idea where WERKILUL is coming from. As you said, this appears so far only in the UCI team roster. The correct spelling and sequence of names of riders from Ethiopia and Eritrea will remain an eternal puzzle, also for another reason: Surnames or family names do not exist. According to the naming convention in Ethiopia and Eritrea a person is known by: A (given name or first name), B (father’s first name) and C (grandfather’s first name). For our man this probably means that his given name is Amanuel, his father’s first name Gebreigzabhier and his grandfather’s first name Egerzeigzaarkha (or Werkilul?). Question for CQ: Do you want to identify riders from Ethiopia and Eritrea in the data base as: Abc, Bac or BCa ? Whatever the choice, there are probably a few corrections necessary to make it consistent. | |
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Hans
Number of posts : 4148 Registration date : 2009-08-17
| Subject: Re: Rider data Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:17 pm | |
| 9051;GREAUX Cum ba;ISV 196702179267;OLLIVI ERRE Dominic Stephen15197;ANDREWS Hansel Orano; website off line 19158;BAILEY Shimano Trevor20491;CATALAN Steve;FRA 1980110824308;PLANCKAERT Edward; @edwPlanckaert 24509;EASTMAN Hamza;GUY 1995061524628;KIRE VHA Albert 26115;ARAUJO Bruno;ANG1999 100526293;HAUGSVAER Sindre Bjerkestrand;NOR1994 030526295;GEBREWAHI D Tamrat Meresa 26297;FAVARO Daniel;ITA 19961104; @DanielFavaro3 - DijkCQ wrote:
- Done. Except Bruno Araujo, see below.
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stephane david
Number of posts : 1511 Age : 63 Woonplaats : Paris area Registration date : 2009-08-18
| Subject: Re: Rider data Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:45 pm | |
| 19332;ABEBE GRMAY Alem ETH1990 0115 according to UCI... | |
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Hans
Number of posts : 4148 Registration date : 2009-08-17
| Subject: Re: Rider data Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:45 pm | |
| - stephane david wrote:
- 19332;ABEBE GRMAY Alem ETH19900115 according to UCI...
But in the results of the Tour Ethiopian Meles Zenawi on the facebook page of the Ethiopian Cycling Federation he is still ETH1990 1115, like for many years on the UCI site.. | |
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KoRood
Number of posts : 386 Registration date : 2011-05-16
| Subject: Re: Rider data Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:59 am | |
| 5365; WURNITSCH Wol fgang (AUT19810325) - DijkCQ wrote:
- Was already done.
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LeonCQ
Number of posts : 653 Registration date : 2009-03-07
| Subject: Re: Rider data Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:10 am | |
| - Hans wrote:
Question for CQ: Do you want to identify riders from Ethiopia and Eritrea in the data base as: Abc, Bac or BCa ? Whatever the choice, there are probably a few corrections necessary to make it consistent. I think the most practical way is to show their names like "we know them". So TEKLEHAIMANOT, BERHANE, KUDUS, etc in capitals, followed by 1 or 2 other names not in capitals. Is that what you call BCa? (I'm not sure about GRMAY or GEBREMARIAM, could there be a difference between ERI and ETH?) | |
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Ruudje2209
Number of posts : 438 Registration date : 2009-09-25
| Subject: Re: Rider data Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:27 pm | |
| 26246; Thomasson Nicolas FRA 19920728 - DijkCQ wrote:
- Was already done.
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Hans
Number of posts : 4148 Registration date : 2009-08-17
| Subject: Re: Rider data Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:43 pm | |
| - LeonCQ wrote:
- I think the most practical way is to show their names like "we know them".
So TEKLEHAIMANOT, BERHANE, KUDUS, etc in capitals, followed by 1 or 2 other names not in capitals. Is that what you call BCa? No that is rather Abc or Bac. - Quote :
- I'm not sure about GRMAY or GEBREMARIAM, could there be a difference between ERI and ETH?
On his twitter he calls himself Tsgabu Grmay so I assume it should be GRMAY, like on the UCI site. The naming conventions for Eritrea and Ethiopia are the same. Based on the principle of one CAPITALIZED name and one or two names in Undercast, a bit of consistency in the transliterations, and some input for “third” names from the facebook page of the Ethiopian Cycling Federation, I suggest the following corrections for Ethiopia. 4070;MENGSTEAB A berha 6233;GEBREMA RYAM Robel 8474;GRMAY Solomon Gebremaryam9318;HAILEMA RYAM Gebru Alemayehu 9339;GEBREAB Abreha Zegeye9347;SHIFERAW Solomon Bitew15851;MEBRAHTU Kiros Woldegebriel15869;GEBRESILASSIE Estifanos Kebede18034;BIRU Goytom Mebrahtu18053;GRMAY Tsgabu Gebremaryam 19332;ABEBE Alem Grmay19333;GEBRESILASSIE Yonas Zerabruk19525;REDAE Tedros Tesfu19665;BEKELE Binyam Fitsum19873;KINFE Yirga Woldemaryam20022;MESFIN Getachew Lesan20027;KALAYU Alem ayehu Abreha20232;HAFTU Gebrema ryam Robel20884;KAHSAY Afewerki Hadush 22173;BURU Temesgen Mebrahtu22183;ALEMA YEHU Gebretsadik 23056; DURY Abdu rahman 23577;GEBREMA RYAM Fiseha 24502; TESEMA Getachew Sendeku24503; TIBEBU Alemayehu24748; MENTE SENOT Samson 25061; WELDU Hafetab Weldegeb real25295;BELAY F iseha 26219; ASEFA Akilu Mesele26296; TESFAYE Lewete SerseThe Ethiopian Cycling Federation rejuvenated two more riders: In addition to ATSBHA Getachew Yohanes (ETH19900612 became ETH19960626) and BIRU Goytom Mebrahtu (ETH1987114 became ETH19920422) there are two other riders who got a similar treatment: 25441;HAILAY Kibrom (ETH19950510) is the same rider as 19522;GIDAY Kbrom Hailay (ETH19890219) - Quote :
- CT rider (Marco Polo) in 2012. So birth year is 1989.
and 22225;WUYU Weldemikale (ETH19940620) is the same rider as 15848;GJEWERGIF Weldmikael (ETH19900223). Full name WUYU Weldemik ael Gebrejewergif. - Quote :
- First result (African Champs) in 2009. So birth year must be 1990.
I let you choose whether to stick to the old codes or change to the new ones. - LeonCQ wrote:
- Done
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LeonCQ
Number of posts : 653 Registration date : 2009-03-07
| Subject: Re: Rider data Sun Sep 04, 2016 12:41 am | |
| Hans, thanks a lot for these investigations!
And in order to have a good 'convention': what is the used sequence in given name, father's name, grandfather's name?
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Hans
Number of posts : 4148 Registration date : 2009-08-17
| Subject: Re: Rider data Sun Sep 04, 2016 4:28 pm | |
| - LeonCQ wrote:
And in order to have a good 'convention': what is the used sequence in given name, father's name, grandfather's name?
The sequence I tried to follow is FATHER’S NAME, Given name, Grandfather’s name. Based on the same principle I arrive at the following changes for Eritrea: 9312;BAIRE Merhawi Gebrehiwet9313;TEKLEHAIMANOT Daniel Girmazion 9314;DAWIT H aile Araya Medhin 9560;YEMANE Bereket Abebe10167;RUSSOM Meron Alem12047;HABTOM Mikel Awet12275;DEBESAY Frekalsi Abraha
13467;KIBREAB GEB Mehreteab 16172;TEWELDE Jani Weldegaber16175;BERHANE Natnael Teweldemedhin16224;HABTE Solomon Abraha16849;ABRAHA Tesfay Habtemariam18033;TEKLIT Tesf ay Zeweldi 18755;DESALE Nahom Kalei; @NahomNd 18756;DEBESAY Mekseb Abraha18757;MELAKE Berhane Teklehaimanot19103;AMANUEL Meron Mengstab19104;ABRAHA Henok Habtemariam19307;OKUBAMARIAM Tesfom Issak19918;DEBRETSION Aron Baranceal20205;DEBESAY Kindishih Abraha;ERI19 891203 20784;KUDUS Merhawi Gebremedhin21044;TESHOME Meron Hagos21482;GEBRE IGZABHIER Amanuel Egerzeigzaarkha21483;ZEMICHAEL Adhanom Gebremariam22602;TEKESTE Yonas Haile22818; GEBREINDRIAS Amanuel Mengis 23833; BERHANE Meron Arham24716; BERHANE Brian 24983;FIKADU S ium Wedeb 24985;AFEWERKI Abel Gebrehiwet25591;TESF AY Hanibal And two more for Ethiopia, just for consistency of spelling: 15851;MEBRAHTU Kiros Weldegeb real26299;H AILEMARYAM Kibrom Teklebrhan | |
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Hans
Number of posts : 4148 Registration date : 2009-08-17
| Subject: Re: Rider data Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:05 pm | |
| 16282;ERIKSSON Mattias;SWE 1972012026301;SCHELLING Ide;@IdeSchelling 26320;CAMERON Carl is 26313;NGAMOKI-CAMERON Carl - DijkCQ wrote:
- Done
By the way, with exception of the Ethiopian changes, all Rider Data posts from July 10 onwards are still pending.... | |
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DijkCQ
Number of posts : 358 Registration date : 2009-08-16
| Subject: Re: Rider data Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:03 pm | |
| - Hans wrote:
- By the way, with exception of the Ethiopian changes, all Rider Data posts from July 10 onwards are still pending....
We'll get to those soon. Reshuffling CQ team duties. | |
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DijkCQ
Number of posts : 358 Registration date : 2009-08-16
| Subject: Re: Rider data Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:48 pm | |
| - DijkCQ wrote:
- Hans wrote:
- By the way, with exception of the Ethiopian changes, all Rider Data posts from July 10 onwards are still pending....
We'll get to those soon. Reshuffling CQ team duties. Working on it, post by post. Marking each post "Done" if it's done. | |
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DijkCQ
Number of posts : 358 Registration date : 2009-08-16
| Subject: Re: Rider data Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:31 pm | |
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Hans
Number of posts : 4148 Registration date : 2009-08-17
| Subject: Re: Rider data Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:41 pm | |
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DijkCQ
Number of posts : 358 Registration date : 2009-08-16
| Subject: Re: Rider data Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:26 pm | |
| - Hans wrote:
- I think I got the ANG19991005 here, but the links you mention are certainly more reliable.
Year of birth 1998 also fits better with two articles where he is 16 years old in 2014 (link) and 18 years old in 2016 (link) We're keeping him like he is. Maybe later he'll switch to a Portugese license. | |
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Hans
Number of posts : 4148 Registration date : 2009-08-17
| Subject: Re: Rider data Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:36 pm | |
| - DijkCQ wrote:
- Working on it, post by post. Marking each post "Done" if it's done.
I think that all is fully up to date now. Thanks. A couple of new changes: 25195;JACOBS Johan; new twitter @johanjacbs 26238;LA ROCHELLE Stéphane is 20621;LAROCHELLE Stéphane (correct code FRA199202 28) 26303;RASMUSSEN Evald;FRO 1956122726304;EGHOLM Kjartan;FRO 1967 - DijkCQ wrote:
- Done
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Hans
Number of posts : 4148 Registration date : 2009-08-17
| Subject: Re: Rider data Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:23 pm | |
| - Hans wrote:
26238;LA ROCHELLE Stéphane is 20621;LAROCHELLE Stéphane (correct code FRA19920228) He still is twice in the database | |
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DijkCQ
Number of posts : 358 Registration date : 2009-08-16
| Subject: Re: Rider data Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:53 pm | |
| - Hans wrote:
- Hans wrote:
26238;LA ROCHELLE Stéphane is 20621;LAROCHELLE Stéphane (correct code FRA19920228) He still is twice in the database I didn't read it carefully enough. Merged the 2 riders into 1. | |
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OZrocker
Number of posts : 20 Registration date : 2016-08-09
| Subject: Rider Twitter accounts Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:12 pm | |
| Found a few riders' Twitter accounts which aren't listed yet; Baku Cycling ProjectElchin Asadov: @Elcinasadov1 Matej Mugerli: @matejmugerli Cycling Academy TeamAviv Yechezkel: @spring_monkey Michael Schweizer:@Schweizi83 - DijkCQ wrote:
- Done
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Hans
Number of posts : 4148 Registration date : 2009-08-17
| Subject: Re: Rider data Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:55 pm | |
| 5260;FINETTO Mauro; website off line 19644;SISR Frantisek; @Frantisek_Sisr 22837;ABOU RACHID Elias 23107;AMBROSE Alonzo;GUY1996 062824374;MITCHEL Kluivert;LCA 2000012324391;ROBERTSON Dean;JAM199 61204 - LeonCQ wrote:
- done
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OZrocker
Number of posts : 20 Registration date : 2016-08-09
| Subject: Twitter Accounts Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:23 am | |
| A few more links to riders' Twitter accounts... Elevate Pro Cycling662 - Heath Blackgrove - @heathblackgrove 25247 - Alberto Ivan Covarrubias Rocha - @beto_cova 4647 - Logan Hutchings is listed as @loganhutchings on the team website, but Elevate's twitter account mentions him as @loganandlizzie. Not sure which one should be included. - DijkCQ wrote:
- Done. @loganhutchings is (almost) empty, therefore decided to use the adorable couples account @loganandlizzie.
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Hans
Number of posts : 4148 Registration date : 2009-08-17
| Subject: Re: Rider data Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:37 pm | |
| 17687;MILEVSKI Miki;MKD 198726330;BAUDE Arthur;BEL1998 010726331;MONIQUET Sylvain;BEL1988 011426333;VAN DEN BERG Lars; @larsvandenberg2 - DijkCQ wrote:
- Done. But made Moniquet 10 years younger ;-)
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