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Hans




Number of posts : 4143
Registration date : 2009-08-17

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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Rider data - Page 18 EmptyFri Jul 04, 2014 11:14 am

LeonCQ wrote:
Hans wrote:
19729;SING Yee Wah;FIJ1957
A rather unique case; a millionaire who learned how to ride a bike at the age of 45. Story here  Very Happy

Nice! Some months ago we started the 'CQ Press Center page', mainly for the trophy pics and publications about CQ. It would be also nice to show these kind of rider stories at the CQPC. I remember that some years ago, you've also posted a few remarkable stories about 'exotic' CQ riders. Some weeks ago I tried to find those posts in the Rider Data mess, but without success...

Think you refer to a post in October 2012. Hereafter a copy/paste of that post and your comment:

Hans
When looking for information on riders who are “ageless” in the database, you sometimes come across some small stories of human drama and success.

The first name of “Spike” TOMLINSON from Bermuda is actually Stephen and he was with the Fast Forward Team in the 2011/12 season: http://bicycleworks.bm/about/team-pg61.htm
Originally from the UK, he was living in Bermuda since 1991 but after a fire in the workshop of hiss boss he lost his job as spray painter and was kicked out of Bermuda earlier this year: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2140791/Family-kicked-Bermuda-20-years-UK-overseas-territory-clamps-BRITISH-immigrants.html
With his age mentioned in the article, this gives for the database:
15106;TOMLINSON Stephen;BER1966 Retired (unless he starts also a new cycling career in the UK)

Kevin TOPPLE, a fundraiser for the Bermudan Cancer and Health Centre, also went to the UK but out of his own free will. He came back to Bermuda again and raised $20,000 for the good cause: http://www.royalgazette.com/article/20110530/ISLAND02/705309937
From his age in this article, dating from 2011, his database entry becomes:
15102;TOPPLE Kevin;BER1963

Leon
Maybe you can write a book about these small rider stories, Hans?

When I read these stories, I always wish there was a podium to publish them or to put a link to these articles.
I think we should seriously consider a Varia Page at CQ, where we can put items like interesting photos (f.e. CQ trophy wards, races we visited), news articles about CQ or other things concerning CQ riders. These small rider stories would fit perfectly in such a "CQ blog".
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Hans




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22992;GREMBI Klinti;ALB19941126
23159;WAI Chong Cheong
23178;FOX Keith;IRL19760711; @keithfoxphysio
23179;BREHENY Joseph;IRL19890620; @CafesAndClimbs
23180;MCKENNA Sean;IRL19940308
23181;DAVIES Dylan; @shredordead
23182;WILSSENS Steven; @steven_wilssens
23183;JOHNSON Shannon; @ridinwithSJ


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daizenshu




Number of posts : 181
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Registration date : 2009-12-02

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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Rider data - Page 18 EmptySun Jul 06, 2014 12:15 pm

Jonathan Cantwell's real twitter is @J_Cantwell.
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MarkCQ




Number of posts : 188
Registration date : 2009-07-11

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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Rider data - Page 18 EmptyFri Jul 11, 2014 8:02 pm

MarkCQ wrote:
All corrected
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Hans




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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Rider data - Page 18 EmptyFri Jul 11, 2014 9:12 pm

9143;STEWART Danzel;JAM19811230
19088;HILL Thailer;JAM19921127
10414;LÜTTERS Frank
14909;HOLOWESKO Mark; @holowesko
17690;FARNUM Chris; @chrisfarnum
17985;JONES Paul;GBR19720611; @Metalhip_Jonesy
19251;ROBSON Dean;GBR19870128
22920;MOORE Robert;GBR19820530; @trebormoore84
22923;REES Charles;GBR19890718; @elephantcyclist
22924;FARROW Ewan;GBR19840928; @EwanFarrow
22925;POSTLE Matt;GBR19700929
22926;GOURLAY Alessandro;GBR1976
22929;CORBETT Mark;GBR1979
13068;ESTUPIÑAN LEZCANO Yasmany
23001;MPAXEBANOS Alechandros;GRE19790901
23002;POTAMITIS Konstantinos;GRE19870504
23190;BROOKS Mario;JAM19910212
23196;ARGÜELLO SALAZAR Sergio Carlos;COL19930417


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LeonCQ




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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Rider data - Page 18 EmptySat Jul 12, 2014 3:13 pm

Hans wrote:

Think you refer to a post in October 2012. Hereafter a copy/paste of that post and your comment:

Thanks! Now I hope I'll find some time in the coming weeks to work out this idea...
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10848;MCLEOD Garrett; @garrett__mcleod
18862;WIGHT Stuart; @stuartwight
23039;HÜBSCH Michel
23201;LIZDE Seid; @seidlizde
23202;PULGAR Erik;VEN19951123 (but no CQ result yet)
23210;RAHIL Zahir;MAR19931126

After the corrections of the Algerian ITT and Czech RR results there are three riders in the database who have no CQ result anymore and can be deleted: Yousef DJERRAH (22844), Lukas MATULA (23048) and Tomas RADOLF (23049)
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Registration date : 2012-01-19

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2 year ban for British rider Jonathan TIERNAN-LOCKE.
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gardener




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Registration date : 2010-08-17

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10883;DAY Dusty is shown as "deceased" - must be a mistake, he's well alive and still riding: http://results.racetec.co.za/results_by_person.aspx?PID=272281
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18895;KØRNER Max Emil Boholm

5188;GODDAERT Kristof; remove Twitter account


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Rory




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21824;STURRUP Deangelo;BAH19920805
23212;ALBURY Chad;BAH19720716
23220;SUGIANTO Sugianto;INA19911209


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Hans




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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Rider data - Page 18 EmptyMon Jul 21, 2014 11:06 am

23233;BIANCHINI Paolo; @Bianch92
23242;MAGALHAES Samuel Rodrigues
23243;RODRIGUES Rui Emanuel Castro
23245;MARTINGIL Cesar Alexandre Feiteira; @cesarmartingil
23246;GOIKOETXEA GOIOGANA Peio
23247;ANGULO SAMPEDRO Antonio
23249;RIBEIRO Carlos Manuel Costa
23250;GONÇALVES Gaspar Filipe Cardoso
23252;GONZALEZ DEL CAMPO Oscar
23253;VAZ Hugo José Ferreira
23254;MAGALHAES Zulmiro Manuel Silva
23255;MEDIERO VAZQUEZ Roberto
23256;JUANGO VALERA Odei
23257;LOPEZ PARADA Daniel
23258;GOMES Luis Gabriel Silva
23261;NORIEGA GOMEZ Diego; @diegonorgo
23263;DE PABLOS PLAZA David ; @Daviddpp94
23264;PORTELA RODRIGUEZ Antonio; @PortelAntonio
23265;CARVALHO Rui Filipe Ribeiro
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franss




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Registration date : 2011-05-15

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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Rider data - Page 18 EmptyMon Jul 21, 2014 10:11 pm

If the birthdate of 23252;GONZALEZ Oscar is correct, it is more likely that this is González Brea, Óscar.
GONZALEZ DEL CAMPO Oscar (González Del Campo García Villarrubia, Óscar) is ESP19940529.


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Hans




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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Rider data - Page 18 EmptyTue Jul 22, 2014 11:13 am

franss wrote:
If the birthdate of 23252;GONZALEZ Oscar is correct, it is more likely that this is González Brea, Óscar.
GONZALEZ DEL CAMPO Oscar (González Del Campo García Villarrubia, Óscar) is ESP19940529.
Yes, you are right Frans.
The Oscar GONZALEZ (ESP19920228) finishing 3rd in the Volta a Portugal do Futuro is indeed Oscar GONZALEZ BREA.
He is the 2014 Spanish U23 Champion ITT. Twitter @Oscaar33

23213;LOPEZ RAMOS Pedro;CAY1989
23267;BEELEN Boris; @boris_bee


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franss




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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Rider data - Page 18 EmptyWed Jul 23, 2014 12:16 am

in the ranking MPAXEBANOS Alechandros has an UCI code starting with GER whic of course should be GRE
BALKAN Serkan had an UCI code with a zero missing: TUR19940328
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Hans




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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Rider data - Page 18 EmptyTue Jul 29, 2014 11:51 am

It seems that this post of July 11 has been overlooked...
Hans wrote:
9143;STEWART Danzel;JAM19811230
19088;HILL Thailer;JAM19921127
10414;LÜTTERS Frank
14909;HOLOWESKO Mark; @holowesko
17690;FARNUM Chris; @chrisfarnum
17985;JONES Paul;GBR19720611; @Metalhip_Jonesy
19251;ROBSON Dean;GBR19870128
22920;MOORE Robert;GBR19820530; @trebormoore84
22923;REES Charles;GBR19890718; @elephantcyclist
22924;FARROW Ewan;GBR19840928; @EwanFarrow
22925;POSTLE Matt;GBR19700929
22926;GOURLAY Alessandro;GBR1976
22929;CORBETT Mark;GBR1979
13068;ESTUPIÑAN LEZCANO Yasmany
23190;BROOKS Mario;JAM19910212
23196;ARGÜELLO SALAZAR Sergio Carlos;COL19930417

2370;SOEPENBERG Gerrit-Jan; Deceased (Died 10 July 2014 from a heart failure)
12205;PAQUET Julien; Deceased (Died 26 July 2014 in an accident during a motorbike race)
12967;PATTEN Daniel; http://danielpatten.blogspot.com
19846;KERRAR Ayoub is 22560;KARRAR Ayoub of GSP. Correct code ALG19930203
20503;TCHOUTA Cédric (UCI spelling and also on the site of La Tropicale Amissa Bongo)
23243;RODRIGUES Rui Emanuel Castro
23270;GOUEL Valentin;FRA19920204
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MarkCQ




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MarkCQ wrote:
All corrected
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vino_93




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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Rider data - Page 18 EmptyWed Jul 30, 2014 1:37 pm

Daniel Teklehaimanot never rode for Amore & Vita. His national federation prevent him from going there.
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23114;ZHAKSYLYK Pazylbek
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21734;KURTOVIC Mujo; @mujo_recko
23275;JOURNIAUX Axel; @Journiaux
23276;CANTY Brendan; @baacanty
23277;ESTRADA CELIS Eduardo
23280;IRISARRI RINCON Jon; @jonirisarri
23281;SAN SEBASTIAN LASA Xabier
23282;AMBROSE Scott;  http://scottambrosecycling.blogspot.com   @ScottAmbrose2
23283;ISERABLE Alexis
23284;JANSSEN Adriaan; @adriaanjanssen
23286;LETEN Wouter; @leten_wouter
23287;DEGROOTE Jonas; http://www.jonasdegroote.be  and @Jonas_Degroote
23288;SOENENS Alessandro; @soenttje
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MarkCQ wrote:
All corrected
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Rider data - Page 18 EmptySun Aug 03, 2014 4:15 pm

Since 10 October 2010, the Netherlands Antilles do not exist anymore as a “country” and I think that this should be reflected in the CQ database. Curaçao and Saint Martin are since then “sovereign countries”, like Aruba is already since 1986.
Saint Eustatius, Saba and Bonaire became Dutch municipalities, but as none of the riders comes from these islands, as far as I know, this does not affect the database.

One of the riders in the database is Dutch, working in Curaçao when he scored his CQ result, two others from Saint Martin.
Corrections:
13612;VAN TUIJL Bas;NED
9048;BENITEZ AMPARO Edward;SMX19790411
17956;CARTY Bienvenido;SMX
The ISO code for Dutch Saint Martin is SMX and the flag can be found here
Actually, also 9047;CARTY Patricio, in the database as French, is from the Dutch part of Saint Maarten.

The remaining 52 riders are originally from Curaçao or are long-time residents of the island.
I suggest the following changes:

Riders with results only in 2011 and later change to code CUR:
19006;BEKER Jarizinho
21723;LATHOUWERS Ricardo
20448;MARTINEZ MARQUEZ Luis Javier
21724;OLEANA Aim
21722;ROMANA Michael-Angelo
21655;SEINTJE Manuel; @mrgiant1982
19005;SULVARAN Gyasi
19004;TON Sebastiaan

Riders with results before as well as after 2010 also change to code CUR, but keep the AHO flag in the results of 2010 and before (this should not be too difficult as their results are in the National Champonships only):
5945;BAKKER Barry
14211;CAMELIA Faisel
17091;CAMELIA Wilfred
17071;CIJNTJE Hillard
14212;JULIANA Deniel
14213;KARIJOPAWIRO Denny; @ParboBoy
13607;LAMPE Timothy
5962;MAGDALENA Aichel
17092;MONTE Alistair; @Alimantjeee
17093;NICOLINA Corwin
17096;PAULA Jendelo
5950;PERESTRELO Jaime
17073;PINEDOE Ruiggeri
9031;ROOI Valdrick
17072;VAN RUTTEN Bryan
14200;WINKEL Quinten

All other riders only have results in 2010 and earlier and remain under Netherlands Antilles with code AHO, but with a few additions/corrections:
5952;GARMES Rudolf (a BMX rider, Lito is his nickname)
7584;REIJMER Peter; @peterreijmer
9028;KOS Richard;AHO1971
13605;DE KERPEL Simon;AHO19660813
13608;SLIEKER Edwin;AHO19680515
13611;KOOK Timothy;AHO1989

And finally, in the races database, the 2011 national championships should be changed to Curaçao (name and flag)

Edit:
Realise that the result of Edward BENITEZ is from 2007 so he remains AHO
9048;BENITEZ AMPARO Edward;AHO19790411


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LeonCQ




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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Rider data - Page 18 EmptySun Aug 03, 2014 11:25 pm

Thanks Hans, very good point, that has been on the to do list for several years. Your overview will help us a lot in the update, i'll try to do this on Monday or Tuesday.


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franss




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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Rider data - Page 18 EmptyMon Aug 04, 2014 9:52 pm

Interesting point indeed and as usual thorough research by Hans. But I tend to disagree. Polital changes are different from sports-political changes. It looks like the UCI took over the rules of IOC and IAAF.
Both decided that Aruba is "independent" (see here: http://www.uci.ch/templates/UCI/UCI1/layout.asp?MenuId=MTI2NjU&LangId=1 but as you can see AHO does no longer exist.
Formally Hans is right; Aruba has the same "statute" as Curacao, but most federations consider them part of the Netherlands when it come to sports (see:http://nos.nl/artikel/414541-.html).
This has to do with a rule change in 1996 (if I'm correct). This means some "nations" are still considered "dseparate like Aruba (like Bermuda Cayman Islands, Virgin Islands, Guam, and Hong-Kong).
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PostSubject: Re: Rider data   Rider data - Page 18 EmptyTue Aug 05, 2014 2:09 pm

I always agreed with the principle that sports and politics should not mix, but did not realize that this can lead to an ambiguous situation where a country is sovereign in politics but not sovereign in sports.

The choice CQ has to make is:
follow what the people of Curaçao apparently would like to see, recognition as a sovereign country also in sports, and make the changes as I suggested,
or
follow the IOC/UCI rules and make the same changes but, rather than correcting the codes of certain riders to CUR (and SMX), change them to NED instead.

In the latter case, the National Championships of Curaçao of 2011 and later should be deleted from the database, as you cannot have a national champion of a country that does not exist…
(You could of course keep the results as “Championships of Curaçao”, a Dutch NE race without CQ points)

Furthermore, Curaçao should be removed from the list of countries in the choice menus for rider nationality, race origin etc…

It is up to you: follow sentiments or rules. Smile
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